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This is horrible! Why do we have to be forced to take these vaccines? We should have a choice in our health care always.
Unless it is immediately harmful to society or to our child, and that with proof, none of these things should be going on.
It’s all government control over the people, and we, the people are supposed to have control over the government!
The President has stepped out of bounds over and over and nothing has been done to prohibit his breaking of the laws. We just have to realize things are just completely out of control with our government.
Our rights are being stolen daily.
God help us through these times we are quickly going into.

As a parent i should be able to decide what is right for my child. The Government is not the parent of my children.

One good reason to step outside the public arena: homeschool your children. While it is possible to educate your child(ren) in public schools without forced vaccinations, it is wiser to choose an alternate route.

I am glad that someone keeps looking into the issue of vaccines. I am highly against them, and of course have faced opposition from people as well as pediatricians and the nurses in the office. I don’t care what they say to try to persuade me to get them done. I think the diseases are definitely linked to the shots, and I have 5 family friends whose children have been damaged by the innoculations 2 of them have passed away. I believe that it is the governemnt keeping people sick to keep the flow of money coming in, and I wish more parents would study the issue of vaccinations instead of blindly saying that the government should make it mandatory that every child has to have vaccinations. It definitely takes away our right to choose what goes into our childrens and our own bodies. It is scary to see where America is going. I want to know the huge advocates of making vaccinations mandatory, do they make their own children and grandchildren get them done? Or do they know what happens when they do, and instead try to make sure they don’t go get those done? I would love to see those vaccinations charts! It is very sad that people do not do enough research on their own, and ignorantly believe what doctors tell them. If they researched how vaccinations are made, I think a lot of people would think differently. Its not just a matter of Thimerosal being put into bodies, but foreign DNA as well. It is a scary thing! My children will never be vaccinated and I will fight for that right to choose.

Obama’s last name was misspelled…just saying.
But, in all seriousness, I do think there is a link between thymerisol and Autism, and I knew and was friends with a couple who had an autistic son, which occurred as a reaction to a shot. Later, their oldest had a bad reaction to his booster (lazy eye for 3 mths)
and they had a SIDS death….after a shot.

Thank you for a balanced, thoughtful article. I felt you presented both “sides” fairly and clearly. I have chosen to have my children immunized, and have even participated in clinical trials of new vaccines. But I cannot imagine the grief of those parents whose children have reacted adversely to immunizations, leading to disability, illness and/or death. I strongly believe that parents have the right to make decisions for their children and that the government should not mandate immunizations. At the same time, I think we need understand that the government MUST make decisions based on the greater good, and that people who choose not to immunize their children may lose some opportunities due to this choice. Choices have consequences, and while I agree to parental choice, organizations like day cares and schools should also have the choice to exclude un-immunized children if they feel it presents a risk to the rest of the children in their care.

Mom of 6,

I would like to respectfully ask you why you think unimmunized children would be a risk to immunized children? Don’t you trust that the immunizations work? Why immunize if you think they are still at risk or contracting a disease?

When our son was 2 months old he was vaccinated. He had a hoarse cry after that. Within 2 days he stopped breathing. Thankfully he started again. He was not running a fever at the time. Now he has febrile seizures. Our pediatrician is adamant there was no link between the immunizations and him stopping breathing. He refused to report the episode to VAERS, forcing me to do it myself. I looked up the insert and even it says if there is an episode where a child loses consciousness within a week following the vaccine the child should not receive another pertussis vaccination. Unfortunately many doctors are arrogant enough to dismiss these issues as unrelated to vaccines. Thankfully my son does not have autism or permanent damage aside from the febrile seizures. Until the medical community behaves responsibly regarding immunizations parents will continue to be distrustful (and rightfully so!) and refuse vaccines.

Why would children not vaccinated present a greater risk????? It is a known fact and doctors will admit that vaccines do not confer life-long immunity. In fact, children are re-vaccinated later in life to counteract this problem. Contacting a disease naturally will only confer life-long immunity. Yes there are risks, on both sides of this issue. Let’s not forget that polio and diptheria have been eradicated in this country for some time. Give parents their parental rights over this important issue. I believe further research into this matter will bring out the truth.

I would love to know how an unimmunized child is going to pose a risk to those that are immunized?! Do people not trust the vaccines that they have chosen for their children to receive? Excluding a child from a day care or school because of no vaccinations is a form of prejudice and ignorance and should not be tolerated. GET INFORMED people!!! And stop letting the government control our lives!!!

Two of my children are immunized (before I knew better) the other four are not. A few years ago my vaccinated son came down with a terrible case of mumps. The doctor would not even diagnose it because she didn’t want to have to tell me he had a disease that he was vaccinated against. My other son (not vaccinated) then caught it but had a far less severe reaction. He was up running around and playing and hardly looked sick, while my vaccinated son was in bed and looked like a chipmunk! My other children DID NOT catch it at all! We have all been brainwashed to believe that without vaccines we will all get sick and die from disease but in reality a healthy person living in sanitary conditions does not need the majority of the vaccines being forced upon them. The ones that may be beneficial can be delayed until the child is older and his immune system is ready to handle the assault(some countries don’t even begin to vaccinate until after the age of 2) I will gladly give up my “opportunity” of sending my children to day care or public school to keep my children healthy (its way better for them to stay at home anyway!). Maybe we wouldn’t need to follow the Herd mentality if we didn’t put our children into the herd a few weeks after birth! Contrary to popular belief it doesn’t “take a village”. God commands parents to train up their children not the state or local day neglect center!!

I’d be interested in knowing if there could be a possible link between the vaccines, (especially any with Thimerosal ) and ADD. I don’t know what the laws are with mandates in other countries regarding vaccines, but I had read a while ago that ADD does not seem to exist in other countries. If that’s true, does anyone know what the vaccine protocol is in England or European countries? Perhaps there is a link there? Especially since ADD can resemble a milder form of Autism.

Even if schools and states “mandate” them, most of the states have philosophical or religious exemptions that you can use to still send your child to school there. No need to homeschool unless, of course, you want to :-).

It is topics like these that gets my blood boiling! Of course as parents, we all want what is best for our children. I do not think that hte government should be able to take away our rights to decide what is best for our children! Aside from the issue of parental rights, every time we turn around, we are hearing and reading about the “new miracle drugs” that are being recalled due to the discovery of harmful and often fatal side effects associated with the drugs that no one discovered while it was still in the laboratory phase. I think that the pharmaceutical companies are so gung-ho to make a buck that they do not thoroughly test the drugs as well as they used to, and we, the consumers, so not find that out until someone has taken the drug and suffered from its harmful side effects. Furthermore, requiring vaccines, such as the influenza vaccine, is ridiculous, because it does not actually prevent anyone from getting the flu. Also, I was told, by a pharmacist I might add, that there are so many different strands of the flu virus that they cannot treat or prevent all of them. So, why bother to get a vaccine that often makes you get the flu when you take it, to prevent a certain type of flu virus, when you are still vulnerable to so many other strands of the virus? And, for a state to make it mandatory to take the vaccine….how ridiculous is that?!?!?! Pretty soon, they will make it mandatory that we all get our rabies shots, just so we don’t end up getting that too!!!!
In our state, children have to have the chickenpox vaccine in order to attend school, but guess what?!?! It DOES NOT prevent your child from getting the chicken pox!!!! So, what’s the point in that one?!?!?
What is our society coming to? We already have to have our children vaccinated for so many different illnesses before they can start school, now they want to add more. There are laws in many states making physical education mandatory for all children, regulating school food, etc because our children are “overweight”. So, what’s next?!?! Are parent’s going to lose all of their rights?

If you think it’s bad now, just wait. As socialism is already creeping into our society day by day, it’s only going to worse when Obama wins the presidency. When this happens, it truly will be that we loving parents will be no more than baby-sitters for the government. As it is now, the government considers OUR children to be the wards of the State. So all I can tell you is; get ready, cause here it comes.
And we will have no choice in the matter but to stand and be persecuted for it.

I concur with Lydia, WI and many other states do allow for parental conscientious objection or religious exemption from “mandatory” shots, so they are not really mandatory. We have to be diligent however that these exemptions are not legislated away, which, in fact, would be a violation of parental authority by the State, and intolerable. There is no constitutional authority given to the government to mandate such things and only if parents refuse to abide by any illegal laws will we protect our inalienable rights! The problem with this issue is that not all states “allow” the exemptions.

I agree with Jeanine above. The logic in the argument about ‘heard” immunization is made in one direction and applied in the opposite direction. It is a faulty premise. If you believe it is of value to immunize your children, by all means do so, but if you say you immunized child will get sick becuause my child get’s sick, you do not understand immunology at all.

I am a microbiologist and I will NOT immunize my children. I’ll move into the hills and live like a pioneer first.

I was pressured by schools and agencies to immunize my youngest son and after the first shot, I said Never again and I feel guilty for even doing it now. He had never been sick a day in his life (and I waited until he was three as Japanese research shows a decreased incidence of harmeful side-effects by 80% less if done after the age of three)…but after his shot, he was sick for almost 6 months off and on (mostly on)… no more, and never again. Isn’t it also intersting that New Jersy is the home of a huge number of pharmaceutical companies??? Thier lawyers probably pay big bucks to ignorant or corrupt politicians to make New Jersey a large laboratory for thier companies! Move away from that state!

I believe vaccination should be a choice, not a mandate. I have vaccinated my children (except that hideous Gardisil) and have not regretted it. I even saw vaccine failure for chicken pox in one of my children, which is not uncommon and I knew that possibility when he was vaccinated. I am concerned when we rest on the laurels of “eradicating polio’ when vaccination is the reason for this. Just two generations ago parents quaked in their boots at the mention of polio. Now we rest easy thanks to Drs. Salk and Sabin. Vaccine is a risk, disease is a risk. We eaxh choose which risk we prefer. To those who have first-hand seen the ravages of polio, vaccine seems the lesser risk.

Everyone keeps talking about our young children. I found it interesting that the minute Gardisal came onto the market our family doctor’s office entire staff (nurses and doctors alike) started PRESSURING me to get my three teenage daughters in for their vaccination. I was bullied to the point that when they had their physicals for the year that I had 3 nurses in the small examining room all at once trying to convince me they needed this vaccine. I have never seen such horrendous pressure to do something I refused to do. Needless to say….we do not use this office any longer for our health care.

Our governments, Federal, State, County, and City, have no right to interfere with the medical decisions made by the citizenship. This includes vaccinations.
When my youngest child was due for her last boosters for MMR and DPT, I just could not make myself take her in for them. I got a clench in my gut everytime I even thought about it.
When it came time for kindergarten, I did take her in for them, and had no problem at that time.
I later found out that the vaccines she would have gotten when scheduled earlier were contaminated, and there were numerous problems with them. I thank God I followed my parental sixth sense.
Parents should always be in the forefront on decisions of healthcare for their children.
The Doctors are the medical professionals, but the PARENTS are their childrens professionals. Nobody knows them better, or loves them more. If we don’t put our children first, who will?

Pharmaceuticals have a stranglehold on politicians especially in New Jersey. I would like to see the contribution amounts and lobbying the drug companies have done to promote their greed. This is another strategy to allow big brother to tell parents they have no rights. Everyone should be outraged.

It has been proven that infants who receive vaccines go into a slight coma for 24 hours, which is why they ’sleep so heavily’ after their shots. THeir brain swells causing the coma.

It has also been proven through outbreaks of VACCINATED children and young adults that vaccines do not work as well as originally thought. Most of those who come down with the measles, mumps, chicken pox and especially whooping cough HAVE been vaccinated, and they still got the disease they were vaccinated against!

Drug companies rake in the billions and trillions of dollars from vaccines, is it any wonder they are so heavily mandated in schools? If there was no income to be made from vaccines, we would not be forced into giving them and only a few select would be requesting to receive them.

I worked as a nurse where they tested the new vaccines on children. The HIB and chickenpox vaccine. They started off saying it was ONLY for children who were medically fragile or compromised…within 5 years it was mandatory in schools for every child. Are vaccines truly needed - or do they pose an unlimited income for drug companies?

Our children continue to suffer until someone figures this out.

I am a mom of 3 and am really tired of feeling like I really don’t have a choice. I believe a parent should have a right to choose what they feel is best for their children. The first vaccines were for diseases that did kill. Now it is for childhood illnesses that are not fatal. I do feel like goverment is taking too much into their hands when it comes to decisions that we parents should be able to make on our own.

This topic has been pricking my conscience for ten years now. I have six beautiful children, and each time I take them in for shots my conscience is screaming that it’s not the right thing. Here’s my dilemma…My insurance dictates my pediatrician and my prediatrician says he will not treat my children unless I agree to give them the full vaccination schedule. I hate this ultimatum. Any advice on how I can fight this? I love to hear any and all thoughts! Thanks!

I am NOT pro vaccine, but let me share 2 instances that I know of that sheds some light. A family in our homeschool organization who did not vaccinate their children, had several of them come down with whopping cough. The diagnosis took awhile, and by the time they realized it, they had spread it to several other unvaccinated families and on to extended family. But the biggest threat was the small babies and elderly who were exposed. Another instance was the same, and the new baby did contract the whopping cough and spent quite a while in the hospital and to this day continues to have breathing difficulties, especially when he has a cold. Again, I am not for FORCING vaccines on families, but I do know there are consequences to others that we must all face up to.

I chose not to vaccinate my children for chickenpox. I caught a lot of flack from the pediatricain. My daughter caught chicken pox at school from a child WHO HAD BEEN IMMUNIZED! The doctors don’t tell the truth about vaccines. Vaccinations are more about making money than anything else. I will research each vaccine, and any vaccine that contains aborted fetal cell lines (rubella vaccine, chickenpox vaccine, some of the combination vaccines) and any vaccine that is given to “prevent” STD’s will not be injected into my children. Also, someone commented that polio and diphtheria have been eradicated from this country. That is not true. While diphtheria has not been seen, polio has been occurring. Older people who have been exposed to children who received the oral polio vaccine, and immuno-compromised people who were exposed to children who had the oral polio vaccine have been contracting polio. That is why the vaccine protocol was changed from the oral polio vaccine(live attenuated virus) back to the injected polio vaccine(dead virus). There have also been rebound cases of polio in people who had polio as children and are now older. Most vaccines are given for diseases that are not deadly. They are about making sure mom and dad can both go be worker bees and the children can be herded into the public brainwashing facility(school). I will think for myself and teach my children to do the same.

It is time for all of us to revolt against our government at all levels as the parents of New Jersey are doing. All must read, “Look What Happened While You wre Sleeping” (ISBN # 978-1-878909-09-1) Thank God for this website to help lead us. God bles you all for showing us the way to revolt!

To vaccinate or not-I agree that is a fundamental parental right. it goes right along with how many kids to have, when to have them, what to feed them, how to educate them, how to discipline them. No one should be able to make the parents’ decision for their children EXCEPT THE PARENTS, or legal guardians. this is an area the government MUST stay out of and we have to stand up to protect our rights. You must vote if you are able. it is so important. it is also important to inform yourself and not let your family be bullied into doing what you feel is not in the best interest of your children. I personally would risk it all for my freedom to raise my family. God has the authority in my life and He has given me instructions on how to raise my kids. No one should ever be able to take those rights away unless there is indisputable proof that children are in grave danger.

How can they force the Gardasil vaccine? Cancer is not contagious!

As a parent, it is necessary to make decisions like this and you must get informed. Vaccines are great for SOME children but for kids that are highly allergic and have contraindications to vaccines, there are doctors that recommend getting one vaccine at a time making sure the childs immune system is not compromised.

The problem I see with this legislation is that parents should have a right to make this kind of decision for their own child. Remember Doctors are practicing!!!! They are not perfect and don’t know all. I am Neither for or against Vaccines. Each child is an individual. Parents should be able to protect their children if they have had bad reactions. What I am against however is FORCED vaccines.

Some recommended reading
Second Opinions - Jerome Groopman
Vaccines: Are They Really Safe And Effective - Miller
What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Childrens Vaccines - Stephanie Cave
How To Raise a Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor -Mendelsohn
A Shot In The Dark - Fisher

Excellent article - both sides are well spelled out. Leaving the obvious solution: let the parents decide their child’s fate, not the government.

I, too, have always wondered why my unvaccinated child would pose a threat to a vaccinated child. Theoretically, the vaccine would protect the other child. Right? I mean, after all, that is what we are supposed to believe. Very flawed logic in claiming the unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated.

When we had to pick a new doc b/c our old one passed away, the new one used the herd theory on me. When I started giving my reasons for not using vaccines, he said he wouldn’t continue to treat my children unless I signed a waiver, stating I realized the risk I was placing my child under by not vaccinating. Well, that sent up little “DSS red flags” in my brain, and we found another doctor who is not in favor of vaccines. He will provide them if you ask for them, but he doesn’t push them. In fact, he said he waited until his own children were of school age before he vaccinated them b/c, and I quote, “They make me nervous. You never know what they are cooking them with.”

I, too, know too many friends and relatives who have had adverse reactions (my second daughter included!) to vaccines. It is a serious health issue, and one in which the parents need to be well educated.

I have 2 teenage sons who were vaccinated when they were babies. I thank God that they were not affected by the vaccines. The old saying “If I knew then what I know now” I would have never vaccinated them. They never received any boosters and I claimed religious exemption that is in their file at school. The vaccines do not work…my youngest did contract the chicken pox even though had the vaccine. Stand your ground, do not be intimidated by school officials or your physicians. And…DON’T VOTE FOR OBAMA! He will take all our rights as parents away.

This is a response to Jack. Why do we think that Obama is the president already? We need to pray that doesnt come to pass. It sounded like he had already won the race and we had voted? I have gotten my kids vaccinated and i crinch when my daughter started kindergarten! I dont like them. They make me nervous. Does this all include Flu shots too? All those kids who have died from the flu makes me nervous too? Which is the lesser evil? We need to pray for our country and the people who lead it! We have taken God out of everything and now we are we?

I think that some vaccines in some circumstances may be prudent but do not agree with the wholesale vaccination of children as if they were livestock. It is very easy to forget about the simple truth of Luke 12 in todays world. Science & medicine are not a substitute for FAITH in God!! Parents have to educate themselves on vaccinations and can’t ignore facts on both sides of this issue. Sometimes a calculated risk is prudent and sometimes it is not. Utimately it is God’s providence.

I believe that we as parents have the God given right to choose what is best for our children. We had in our local newspaper a write up about vaccines. It caused quite a stir. One gentlemen pointed out a very important point. All the information given us about the vaccines by our health professionals come from the drug manufacturers who of course are making a lot of money on the vaccines. There are many places for a parent to get unbiased information about the vaccines; information put together by people who are not in it for the money. One such site I found very informative
I think that all parents whether they choose to vaccinate or not should do so knowing all they can about the vaccines. God help us fight and win to keep our rights as Americans.

That website is http://www.knowvaccines.com.

This is an incredibly irresponsible piece. I initially thought your organization was reputable, but when you make statements like, “…an indisputable body of evidence suggests a correlation between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative used in certain vaccines, and autism or autism-like symptoms resulting from heavy metal poisoning,” you make it clear that you are uninterested in accuracy. There is NO credible evidence to link thimerosal to autism, and significant evidence against. For example, Thompson and others examined thimerosal exposure and 42 neurological outcomes, including autism. They found NO CONNECTION (NEJM, 357:1281-92, 2007). The largest study in Europe found the same thing – NO CONNECTION (Pediatrics,114: 577-583, 2004). A huge study (124,000 subjects) in the U.S. also found NO CONNECTION (Pediatrics 112: 1039-48, 2003). These studies are completely independent of the pharmaceutical companies. In fact, many of the scientists who are responsible for getting the rotavirus vaccine off the market because of its side effects are also on the studies that conclusively show there is no link between vaccines and autism.

If you were truly interested in protecting children, you would not write such irresponsible trash. In addition, if you really supported parental rights, you would want parents to be PROPERLY informed. Publishing this kind of nonsense on your blog demonstrates you are not interested in either.

I have been strongly encouraged today to read the thoughts of so many that feel like I do. This is perhaps the one parenting helath issue that has kept me up the most at night. We have chosen not to immunize. I hate how it feels when I tell other peopel that and they “GASP” with horror, however when I explain my reasoning, they usually say “Really, I had no idea!” Which makes me wonder how one could not begin to wonder at the saftey of the immunizations when you receive those handouts in the Dr. office telling you the risks! Anyway, thank you all for your dialogue and it’s just great to know that free thinkers are out there, God fearing, family centered homes exists and alway will!

I, also, would like to thank you for the unbiased article on immunizations. We have chosen to have our 3 children immunized, however, I completely understand and side with parents who choose NOT to do so. Their children are no threat to my children what so ever and I would have no problem with an unimmunized child attending any function my child was at. (since we homeschool…this probably already happens at our homeschool activities!) We chose to give our children immunizations knowing that there is a risk because it is my prayer, and my husband’s, that God will use our family all around this world to reach others with the love of His Son. Therefore, to travel to most countries they will have to have shots. It was our decision to do this now instead of waiting and having to give them mega doses later on in life when they have those opportunities to travel to lands where these some of these diseases still cause problems. But I 100% understand and support a PARENT in THEIR right to choose whether to give immunizations or not!

I would like to respond the Dr. Jay Wile and thank him for his insight. I heard him speak on this very topic at a homeshcool convention and was very impressed with his information. I appreciated how he said something along the lines “that if you like the other things I say in regards to creation and evolution, you must know that what I say about immunizations is to be considered with the same amount of thought” that he was looking at the evidence and data in similar ways and I really did appreciate his information. It did not change my thinking on immunizations, but it was a thoughtful challenge. And I hope no one sees his response a few min. ago as harsh, I think he has a vaild point and each person needs to weigh all the evidence. However, it is really hard to know what is evidence, what are tainted results, who to believe. That’s why I have been on my knees praying about this issue. And I don’t think there is a black and white answer! However, we must be free to make these decisions for our families!

Dr. Wile,
My son was never the same after he had a series of shots at age 3. He was perfectly healthy before hand. He is now 14. After the shots, and I can tell you to the day, he now has a speaking disorder that is neurological. He speaks how he thinks. At age 10 he began to have unexplainable seizures.
How long were these tests done that you refer to? Over the coarse of 15 years? I think not. It wasn’t until the early 90’s that the recommended shots sky rocketed. No one knew then what we know now. You absolutely can not irrefutably deny what is happening in the country and others.
I think one of the reasons homeschooling is under attack is because the parents are being educated along with their children. We are getting a better education now than we got and now we know how to find out for ourselves what is best for us, we are not dependant on you. Science doesn’t become a law until a theory has gone through many, many experiments. Even so, it only eliminates possiblities, it doesn’t “prove” a theory. Over the course of the centuries absolute theories have been disproven. Don’t give me “no connection”!! We are living experiments. We can not be denied in the scientific world. We are credible if you like it or not.
Stand America! Stand for what is right, not for what we are told is right!

I was surprised when my doctor brought in a rotovirus vacine for my third child. None of my other children had gotten that vaccine so I asked my doctor. He said (matter of factly) that it was being administered to children about 5 years ago but it started turning their intestines inside out (?!). “but it should be safe now” he said! Needless to say, I passed on that one!

Dear Mom of 6 and Jeanine,
I applaud both of you for your choices. Jeanine, it’s not that we fear an incoming disease, it’s that an unimmunized child can receive a disease that another is carrying and now the organization becomes the target of much scrutiny by the public and can potentially ruin them. Why? Because someone pushed their right as a parent not to immunize (and they should have that right) and then pushed to have their children in an “equal” environment as the immunized children. The parent took the risk but who takes the responsibility for the outcome? I agree with you, Mom of 6, organizations should have the right to choose who they allow into their establishments. Those who don’t like the requirements have the right to go elsewhere. Afterall, we do still live in America, don’t we??? As parents we have the responsibility to make wise decisions knowing full well the possible outcomes of our choises. Therefore, use your parential rights to choose wisely, not expecting anyone to make exceptions for any choise you may make. We do vaccinate, but we also space them out and have not really followed the “charts.” Sometimes the cure is better than the disease.

Dear “Not Ignorant”

Please actually read the data if you want to be informed. The 2007 study I referenced spanned 10 years. The 2004 study spanned 7.5 years. In addition, a huge Danish study (Pediatrics 112: 604-6, 2003) covered 29 years, showing that even though thimerosal was removed from Danish vaccines in 1992, there has been no change in the increasing autism rates. Thus, there are many, many years’ worth of data that clearly support the established scientific conclusion that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

I am truly sorry about your child’s problems, but the data show that they are probably not related to vaccination. Vaccines do have side effects, just as peanuts do. However, the side effects of approved vaccines are very rare, and following the standard immunization schedule under the supervision of a board-certified physician is how you reduce your child’s risk of health disorders.

Dr. jay

Your opinion like all health professionals is biased. You make $$$ off the numerous visits to your offices that would otherwise be unnecessary if it weren’t for vaccines. Thirmosal is not the only questionable ingredient in vaccines.

Here’s a partial list:
Human serum albumin
bovine (cow) serum albumin
aluminum hydroxide
DNA
EDTA
FORMALDEHYDE
Urea
Calf skin
Chick embryos, kidney cells
human diploid tissue culture
Monkey kidney tissue culture
Mouse brain

To truly rule out the dangers of vaccines numerous long term tests would need to be done on individual ingredients, each vaccine and combined vaccines. A true control group would be unvaccinated children. These studies have not and will not be done because the big drug companies and Dr.’s like you do not want the public to know the truth. So before you throw around words like “irresponsible” and “Properly informed” take a long hard look in the mirror and then see who’s interested in protecting children.

Dr. Wile,
Thank you for your response. I also was surprised by the mention of thimerosal. Although studies show it is not to blame for autism, I still question the link between immunizations and autism. That has not been entirely disproven. Of course, it is not proven either. I think that is the point. I am not an anti-vaccine parent. I have 7 children that are vaccinated with the traditional (not newer like chicken pox, gardisil, etc) vaccines. But when my 2 month old baby had a possible reaction (see my previous post) it was completely dismissed that it could have been from the vaccines. That is completely irresponsible of our physician and creates a distrust. The package insert containdicates my baby from receiving another pertussis vaccine yet he wanted to continue on schedule. He has refused to offer us single vaccines that are available so we can cautiously proceed. Unfortunately this is not an uncommon situation with our pediatrician. Doctors all over this country are willing to sacrifice the few for the good of all. They turn a blind eye to situations like mine where caution should be the rule. If more doctors would take seriously the reactions that do occur perhaps parents wouldn’t be so distrustful.

Dear “Another Mom of 6″

Once again, please read the studies. Controlled studies are, of course, done on ALL vaccines. Vaccines have to go through three levels of clinical trials in order to get approved, and at each stage, the vaccine recipients are compared to unvaccinated people. In addition, vaccines are constantly monitored afterwards, once again, with controlled studies comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children. For example, Madsen and others (NEJM 347:1477-1482, 2002) examined all children (more than half a million) born in Denmark from 1991 through 1998. Of those children, 82 percent had received the MMR vaccine. The other 18% had not. The researchers found that there was no difference between the autism rates of vaccinated children as compared to unvaccinated children. In such a large study, even a slight increase in the risk of autism due to the MMR vaccine would show up. However, no such increase was seen. These are the kinds of studies done on all licensed vaccines.

I understand that a list of ingredients in any medicine (and many foods) can look very daunting, but please understand that the effect of a chemical depends on its concentration. Vitamins, for example, are beneficial at low concentrations and dangerous at high concentrations. Thus, listing a list of chemicals means nothing unless you list the concentrations. The several levels of controlled clinical trials that a vaccine must go through help to validate the safety of the ingredients that make up the vaccine.

Please note I am not a medical doctor, so I make no money on vaccines. In fact, I lose money because of my stance on vaccines, because some people return my textbooks when they learn that I state the facts regarding vaccines.

There is no such thing as unbiased.

Scientists consider their profits when they choose their side of an issue. Professing to be a Christian doesn’t change that about human beings. (((You and I can not know where some other person has bought stock, can we? We can not know what profits a scientists may generate from supporting a certain side of an issue.)))
The biggest problem in this country is the reliance upon “experts”. “Experts” can get it into their heads that they are smarter, and better, than the masses, that they need to lead the poor,pitiful, herds. That’s why we are Libertarians. We believe in ourselves.
You wouldn’t believe the conflict of interests out there in the professional community. Do you know which “Christian leaders” are riding the coat-tails of Big Pharma? Do you buy their textbooks….?

I believe that themerisal is being phased out, though I’m not certain if its due to legal mandate or simply a marketing move on the part of those companies producing vaccines. The debate about whether theremisal causes autism or other injuries is a round and round discussion, with no real conclusion — as state in the last paragraph of the article.

It seems the real issue is the ever growing list of required vaccines and the ethical issues surrounding this mandate as the companies producing the vaccines have not had to prove the worthiness of their products and win the hearts of the consumer, rather they are producing their product for a guaranteed consumer base, aided by government institutions and thereby making a fortune regardless of whether the vaccines are effective or safe.

Dear Kris,

It certainly does sound like your doctor was not being responsible. I expect there are many doctors who act similarly. But this organization is being just as irresponsible by stating “…an indisputable body of evidence suggests a correlation between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative used in certain vaccines, and autism or autism-like symptoms resulting from heavy metal poisoning.” That is simply false in every measurable way, and such false information can lead to people making poor decisions for their families!

I am against mandatory immunizations. Parents should make those decisions without all of this intimidation by medical staff. My niece was given the whooping cough immunization, developed whooping cough from the shot, and spread it to her 3 yr. old cousin while visiting during a holiday. I was at the drs. office every week trying to get him to accurately diagnose it. Finally at the end of weekly office visits he admitted it was whooping cough. Since that time I have read and spoken to other drs. who told me it is a common occurence for those immunizied with the vaccine to get whooping cough. A dr. I spoke to recently said he doesn’t immunize his own younger children, and he regretted that two of his older children had received some immunizations. He knows better now.
Polio vaccines are NOT what irradicated polio. Many people contracted polio from taking the vaccine. Parents, you need to do some research.
My oldest son, years ago, was mistakenly given a small pox vaccination when he was just a few months old. Within two weeks he went from a very happy, healthy baby to having to be placed in an oxygen tent with symptons like brochial pneumonia. One time when I was entering his hospital room behind a nurse with an injection for him. I saw her just stab that needle into the top of his leg, inject him,leave him screaming in pain, never saying a word of comfort. She didn’t know I was coming down the hall to his room,entering behind her as this happened. He had 17 injections–were they all like that? At that time mothers weren’t allowed to stay at the hospital, and I was young and easily intimidated by the medical staff. I had argued with the nurse that gave him the smallpox shot that it wasn’t the right one, but she put me in my place, saying I was wrong. I would NEVER leave my children alone at the hospital ever again.

Do medical facitlities, offices, and hospitals get kick-backs or commissions, or other perks for how much of their drugs, etc. they sell out of there facilities? Have you ever seen the documentary of the drug companies sending physicians, etc on to very lavish resorts to talk to them about all the drugs they would like them to sell out of their offices? What about sinful man lying to their patients and influencing their nursing staff to pressure patients to immunize or whatever because it lines their pockets.
We heard a televised plea in our area for residents of our county to come and get their flu vaccine because they had such a surplus, and they would have to eat the expense if we didn’t come and get our shot. That same season thousands of people had been immunized and thousands had become ill from the shot and gotten the flu anyway. The local hospitals and drs. offices were overflowing with the sick. The flu shot didn’t help most of the people that received them. They were all scratching their heads, but they still wanted us to be good citizens and come and pay for the surplus supply they had received. I think the immunizations expire, and don’t keep until the next season.
One Friday night my son broke his wrist while playing basketball with the team he was on. Our local physician office was closed, of course, so we went to a local emergency care place. The very first thing they want to know before they treat him for the painful wrist fracture-IS–is your child immunized? I asked them what that had to do with treating his wrist? Well, they are keeping accounts of compliance. Do we not have freedom to decide for ourselves what is in our child’s best interest?

Dear “Mom of 4, not drugged, boys”

Please note that as I said before, many of the authors who published data that were bad for the pharmaceutical companies regarding rotavirus have published studies showing no connection between vaccines and autism. It is hard to imagine how such authors benefit both ways!

Amen, and I’m not religious! I have been telling as many parents as possible that these vaccines have been causing autism for years (16 years now)!!! I have demanded that the DPT’s, now DTaP’s not be given to my child unless they are acelluler (DTaP) before this was even considered a problem.. I demanded that the doctors give my children only the dead Polio virus not the weakened live strain before this even a concern. The only cases of Polio in the United States have all been from the vaccine since the 1940’s, or 50’s. Parents you have to know that there hasn’t been one case of wild Polio in decades, at least five, or six decades. I insisted that my child only be given the dead strain, which involves a shot instead of a sugar cube, or sugary liquid. I almost got into a verbal altercation with a PA (Physicians Assistant) when she tried to give my son a live virus. This was at Kaiser permanente in Santa Clara county. She didn’t bother to read my childs chart and told me I didn’t know what I was talking about(I am a surgery analyst and have worked in surgery side by side with doctors, so I know how arrogent they can be). I am the wrong person to saythat to and she found out the hard way. I dropped that HMO after that. I am not a follower and will always draw my own conclusions. I read the inserts long before anyone was even concerned about autism.
I was RIGHT all the time. Trust your better judgement and withhold vaccines until age two, if you can. The U.S. is one of the only countries that vaccinates their children at 4-6 months of age, of the Westernized word. I do know that most of the bad vaccines (DTP, & Live Polio) have been shipped to third world countries where they will be used to vaccinate unsuspecting children. The MMR, is
one of the deadliest and will still be given to your child at an early age, around 4-5 months, or 6 months. You can request that this one be with held and even broken up. ie: measels in one shot, mumps in another and ruebella separately. I know a large number of people who have autistic children, and a friend whos baby died at age two years after a vaccination (it was called SIDs). One of my friends had a niece age 8, who was vaccinated with an MMR. The vaccine left her completely disabled (mental retardation)at the age of eight. This little girl was a normal child before that, and it only worsened each year. She is now completely unable to communicate at the age of twenty something, at this point. How much proof do you need…read your inserts and don’t let your doctor lie to you about the correlation between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative used in certain vaccines, and autism/crib death/mental retardation/ADD/seizures, and the list goes on. Some doctors will lie and tell you that the pharmecutical companies have removed it, but I know different, once again read your inserts people your children are counting on it. Be a smart parent and do your own research. Don’t let doctors tell you something as if it is “GODS” word.. Remember, doctors are just people who have gone to school, and most of what they do is educated guesses. Unless you have proof of something from the lab it is an educated guess… HELLO, there have been very few studies and nothing long enough to prove anything… Don’t you wonder why there isn’t more concern? There is “BIG” money in vaccines, don’t fool your selves.

To respond to Dr. Wile, whose professional input is appreciated, but neither to support nor refute his comments, I make one clarification: the statement made that “an indisputable body of evidence suggests a correlation between thimerosal…and…autism-like symptoms” was not intended to claim that we have knowledge of scientific studies to this effect. Every CASE in which these symptoms emerge immediately after the shots is EVIDENCE (no “proof” is claimed here), and every concurance “suggests a connection.”
To our readers: please do not take this as a claim to proof that the relationship is causal, or has been scientifically proven. Again, “Parentalrights.org does not claim to have a solid scientific answer to these questions.” But we firmly believe the decision should be left up to parents.

I am 100% in favor of parental choice. Both sides need to bear in mind though that before vaccines were invented and widely used, many children and adults were killed or maimed by the illnesses that the vaccines have either wiped out or severely curtailed. (My grandfather was one who was maimed by polio.) I understand and support the parents that opt out of vaccinating and I am grateful for the people who do vaccinate.

The first question asked everytime we enter ANY medical facility is “Are their shots up to date?”
Why do they need to ask that so frequently, and as another mom pointed out, with such pressure?
Study this issue very deeply. Don’t stop at the immunization debate.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who lived through the dark days of polio and other devastating diseases that killed so many children.

Granted, we do not see this as the case in todays society, however that is in large part due to immunizations.

I absolutely stand for freedom in parental choices for their children in all matters. I also am not convinced that life threatening diseases of the PAST would not become widespread once again should all of us decide to not immunize. The children more at risk (school,daycare ect.) would be those not vaccinated. All in all in this subject and so many other decisions facing us all as parents we PRAY PRAY PRAY and ask God for his wisdom and protection over our families.

Jay Wile, I have no knowledge of your own personal investments.

I’ll research for myself,thanks anyway.
I’ll begin by listening to real,live mothers who have data that you do not possess.

Remember the studies for autism and so forth have only been going on a short while. The Gardisil vaccine study has only been going on for five years. Studies for gardisil are inconclusive at best, yet we are vaccinating our daughters…at age 12. Check out anyone who calls themself a doctor, and you will find them listed on the web… It is very interesting…check it out

Dr. Wile,
I agree with you that using outdated information is not helpful and hurts the cause being fought for. I believe that parents should have the right to refuse vaccinations. If I didn’t have that right my baby could be seriously harmed. We need good information on both sides of the controversy to make wise decisions.

Also, I would like to say that Dr. Wile is not in the hip pocket of big pharma. He has made his conclusions independently. My company proudly carries his textbooks. No one should assume that just because he is a Dr. and publishes textbooks that he is taking money from anyone. An independent minded person can look at the studies and conclude thimerosal does not cause autism. Please give him the benefit of the doubt and understand that he is critical of a false statement being made.

My issue is that many side affects are not being properly reported because physicians think they will somehow know when a reaction is from a vaccine or not. All reactions should be reported so that studies are accurate. When a child has a reaction that could have been from a vaccine it should be taken seriously. While there is no way to prove my baby’s reaction was from the vaccine, it should be assumed it was in order to protect him from further harm. Instead it is viewed that since reactions are rare, they do not occur. That is a very false and dangerous assumption. In my case, it has caused a serious distrust of medical field and vaccines. I will still vaccinate my older children for certain diseases but I cannot look at vaccines the same any more.

How would I know with certainty that any individual wasn’t in the hip pocket of Big pharma?

Dear MichaelRamey,

To claim that an “IRREFUTABLE” body of evidence exists is, as I have stated previously, completely irresponsible. No such body exists. Period.

You are now trying to backpedal your statements by saying, “Every CASE in which these symptoms emerge immediately after the shots is EVIDENCE (no “proof” is claimed here), and every concurance ‘suggests a connection.’” While not completely irresponsible like your first statement, this statement is also undeniably false.

When someone goes out to eat in a restaurant and then gets sick to his stomach, it might be considered evidence that he got food poisoning at the restaurant. While that is a plausible EXPLANATION for his sickness, it is only one of THOUSANDS of plausible explanations. Suppose, after that happened, a poll was taken of every other person who ate what he ate in that restaurant at roughly the same time, and the poll showed that the number of people who got sick to their stomach after eating was no larger than what would be expected in the general population. At that point, his sickness would NOT be evidence against the restaurant. In fact, the study would indicate that the person should look elsewhere to find the cause of his stomach sickness.

The same can be said in the case of autism and vaccinations. When study after study shows that vaccinated children have the same autism rate as unvaccinated children, you can rule out vaccination as a possible explanation for autism.

Study Dr. Wile for yourself. He is a public figure so to speak. Argue with his points, don’t insult his character.

Dr. Jay,

I appreciate the fact that you do not make money on vaccines never the less you have drunk the kool-aid along with your peers. What say you about Gardisil and many other vaccines that have been through “several levels of controlled clinical trials..to validate the safety” yet have caused numerous side effects and even death? People are not machines, we are individuals with individual body chemistries. What might be ok for one could cause untold harm to another. For the government to require vaccines for all therefore is irresponsible. Allowing some to be injured or die for “the greater good” is not at all compatible with a Biblically based Christian world view. It sounds more like survival of the fittest or socialism to me.

Also look at whos backing the information that is being spewed. More often then not it is the pharmecuetical companies backing the statements that the vaccines are not at fault…ONCE AGAIN FOLKS, I am a huge proponent of doing your own research, and remember the doctors get a kick back on the drugs they use for their patients. Also, I want you to know that I am HUGE on parental rights, either way you choose to go! If you have to, home school to get your point across, so beit.
Trust me when I tell you that the more people that withdraw children from public schools over these issues (if you can) the louder your voice will become. Why? Because the schools get money for every child in attendance, on a daily basis…and if you withdraw your child over these issues it will put emphasis on mandated vaccines. Make sure you say it is because of the vaccination laws if you do decide to take that route. Money speaks volumes people, remember that.

Dr. Wile,
I would like to publicly apologize for my comment. I was not attacking your authority. Quite the contrary I teach my son with your textbooks! I disagree with you on this subject though. I jumped up on a soapbox too hastily. The subject is our right to choose how we care for our children medically. We must have the right to choose for ourselves. Families are the first form of government and we can not allow that to be undermined. That’s what I meant by stand. We need to act, not just talk.
Thank you Dr. Wile for your stake in this issue. Thank you Parentalrights as well.
Heather

You say “Argue with his points, don’t insult his character”.

But he didn’t mind calling anyone irresponsible.

Now he just called THEM back-peddlers…

On another note, we have been warned about mercury in fish but not vaccines??? Only parents are worried about the vaccines, doesn’t that bother you…
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!

I used a certain set of textbooks until I read in them that drunkardness was genetic. Then I trashed them all.

This rabbit hole goes way deeper than you think it does.
Try withdrawing your “Specially Labeled Means Twice the Funds” child from public school and see what people are really made of.
It isn’t about “America’s children”. It isn’t about the “good of society”. It’s about M-O-N-E-Y.

Dear “Another Mom of 6,”

Three levels of clinical trials, in the end, expose only 8-10 thousand people to the vaccine. Thus, the only thing the trials assure us of is that for the VAST MAJORITY of people (9,900 out of 10,000), there are no significant safety issues. As the vaccine is carefully monitored afterwards, however, larger and larger studies can be done. This is how the rotavirus vaccine was shown to cause problems. Once again, some of the same authors who have shown no connection between vaccines and autism also showed that one in every 11,000 patients who got the rotavirus vaccine ended up coming down with a severe bowel problem. Clinical trials that cover only about 10,000 people are not capable of seeing such a rare side effect. That’s how it slipped by. Nevertheless, even though the side effect was INCREDIBLY rare (1 in 11,000), it was decided that the risk was not worth the benefit, so that rotavirus vaccine was taken off the market. Since studies that encompass well over 500,000 children for many years clearly show there is no connection between vaccines and autism, it is clear that vaccines are not related to autism.

Please note that about one in every 200 children is allergic to peanuts, and peanuts cause the death of about 100 people every year. Thus, even the above-mentioned rotavirus vaccine, which was taken from the market, was safer than peanuts! It was safer than peanuts because it had been studied more closely than peanuts. No wonder the American Academy of Pediatrics says, “…vaccines are one of the safest forms of medicine ever developed.” (Samuel L. Katz, representing the American Academy of Pediatrics testimony before the Committee on Government Reform, U.S. House of Representatives, August 3, 1999)

FYI, there is an awesome book and website out there written by a doctor that tells you what ingredients are in the vaccines, the pros, the cons and so much more. The doctor even gives an alternative schedule to parents who choose to vaccinate, but only want to give one aluminum containing shot at a time so the body can handle it. The website is http://www.thevaccinebook.com and the name of the book is The Vaccine Book. It’s a great resource to make you an informed parent and to be able to have information to back you up at the doctors office if you choose not to vaccinate. Blessings to all on making this difficult decision.

Dr. Wile,

I very much respect your opinion. I have purchased your textbooks and have recommended them to others. They are excellent. And while I agree that immunization, in theory, is a beautiful plan, I believe in practice, it is often the opposite.

We know that science is very limited in its ability to prove anything, even immunization theory. We also know that God has created us and we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Can man, Mr. Wile, have complete understanding of how our immune systems work? Man cannot know what he doesn’t know, and though medical experts may think they understand immunology completely, they might not have the whole picture. Only God understands our immune systems perfectly. Furthermore, the Bible tells us that the life is in the blood. Please don’t mess up my children’s “life” by purposely injecting them, when they are not sick, with something so foreign to their systems. (and I don’t mean just the killed virus.)

There are so many things wrong with the practice of immunization today, such as immunizing newborns who are not yet released from the hospital, or, insisting that my highly egg-allergic son still have the MMR though it is based on an egg protein, that one cannot help but be suspicious. (I thank God that my allergist backed me up against my pediatricians or I might have given in and then where would he be today?…since then I have acquired a stronger backbone and have quit immunizing my children). There is also the agenda of the drug companies. There are some very informative articles about the cervical cancer vaccine that are very condemning of its use. But I understand I may be committing a part to whole fallacy here, but the reverse could be said of trusting you about immunizations just because you are right about creation/evolution.

When my oldest was born, they didn’t immunize until 2 or 3 months of age. When my second was born, they immunized at 1 month (he had terrible stuffiness after that and then an ear infection at 2 mos. I cannot say that the immunization caused it, it could have been a number of factors, but I am suspicious. When my third child was born, they wanted to immunize him in the hospital. Why?
(He has had no immunizations and has been my healthiest child, although I do admit that there are other contributing factors). And they want to give them all “lifestyle” vaccinations. They assume my children will be fornicators or drug abusers. Additionally, the sheer volume of immunizations they want to give very young children is overwhelming to my brain, and I suspect to childrens’ immune systems, too.

Also, there is “evidence” that polio was not eradicated by vaccinations, but by the normal increase/decrease incidence of the disease. Polio vaccinations came on the scene as the disease was on the decline.

Not too long ago, when my middle son got a fish hook stuck in the skin of his finger and was taken to the pediatrician to have the hook removed to avoid further tissue damage, the tetanus shot was pushed. I declined, and researched tetanus on the internet. By no means, was there any need for a tetanus shot. The wound was very superficial, and, correct me if I am wrong, tetanus needs an anaerobic environment to multiply. These physicians are not “trigger happy,” but they are definitely “immunization happy.” Needless to say, my son’s wound healed very nicely on its own.

Of course, I haven’t cited all my concerns regarding giving immunizations, but I do believe there is much cause for concern. Immunizations in theory are a great idea, but not immunizing your children and contemplating the issue from a parental rights position does not mean the organization publishing the information is irresponsible.

Dr. Wile, if you can convince me that I’m wrong about immunizations, please do.

Dear “Mom of 4, grandma of 1,”

Please note that the mercury in fish (methyl mercury) is chemically quite different from the mercury in vaccines (ethyl mercury). While studies show that methyl mercury has a long residence time in the body, studies show that ethyl mercury does not (The Lancet 360:1737-41, 2002). In addition, since we eat all the time, eating fish leads to long-term exposure. Vaccinations occur infrequently, so there is no risk of long-term exposure.

Just a few thoughts…my brother is a pediatrician, a huge advocate of vaccines, and has four children. Just because someone is a doctor doesn’t mean they’re in it ‘just for the money.’ Sometimes it’s a knowledge of the diseases that have existed, that could exist again in our society, that still exist in places (my brother lives in a third world country where children still die of these ‘eradicated diseases’).
I haven’t done enough of my own research on this subject to be vehemently opposed or for, although I do immunize my children and think I have the right to raise them and make decisions as I see fit, but the talk of the government trying to tell us what to do, the government ‘keeping people sick’ to control us, the government taking away our rights, makes me laugh a little. I know there are many loving parents out there, but there also many people who have stepped away from their roles as parents: allowing the daycare to raise their child, or the school system to raise their child (and I’ve been a teacher in both). And now everyone’s mad that the government is stepping in…yet again. Hasn’t society, as a whole, asked for it just a little bit?
We live in a truly blessed country, please remember that. Corruption does exist, but c’mon folks - we have it pretty darn good. All over the world children are dying from diseases that our children may never have to face or even worry about. You all seem to have researched so much about this subject. Extend some of that research to the study of history (specifically the epidemics that HAVE existed in this country in the past), or the study of our world as a whole. It may not make you appreciate the US government more, but maybe it will give you a new perspective.
When we forget history, we WILL be condemned to repeat it….

I immunized my two oldest children and thankfully their life was not threatend or quality of life was not harmed. I have two younger children whom I have not vaccinated and will not vaccinate. I wish to have the right to choose, since many questions have come out about vaccines and the toxins that are in them. Many have bought into the idea that all answers to health lie in pharmaceuticals. I’m not one of them.

My wife and I have not vaccinated our last 6 children at all. It took us a while to understand 15 years ago all the bad effects of vaccines. So two of our children did receive some vaccines, and to them I apoligize. Any doctor from the medical establishment is an arm of the government as far as I am concerned. And I do not trust my government in many ways. And vaccines is one of them. No, I am not paranoid. Most Americans are Sheeple and cannot think for themselves to investigate matters like vaccines.
My wife is a registered intensive care nurse and comes at this issue from the medical point of view. I come at it from a political viewpoint. Together we conclude, one is foolish to vaccinate children.
Flu vaccines? What a joke! My employer just had free flu vaccines for everyone last week. I went by the line up just to see who was taking the koolaid and laughed. Now I have to take extra vitamins this week so I do not get ill from these sheep and bring it into my home.
One more thing, just homeschool your kids and get them out of the government schools!

I agree that every parent should have the right to care or refuse care( of sorts) of their children. But as my kids have been vaccinated and They are in school, I worry that many people think that and worry that there is only one way to get a virus, disease and illness. As for the kids, Cervical cancer, in my experience, is also related to the sexual conduct of girls at a young age. I may be wrong on this one. But I had that we feed our kids food right off the shelf of a store and not become concerned about what we put into thier bodies that way, but say no way when it comes to vaccines. If you are for your parental right to no vaccines, then also help get the food industry turned around and get back to nature so to speak. But I think that everyone has a right of choice. our government, not matter how wrongfully guided is or had been trying to keep us safe. It is by our default that we have allowed the government to be the bully which we are afraid to stand up to or we think that since we are only one man or woman, that we don’t have a chance to defeat them.

Here is a questions to moms and dads who don’t vaccinate. Are the food you feed your children as natural as God wanted or are you feeding them off the store shelf, at your local fast food, or are you reading the labels that are on the cookies, cakes, meats, drinks that go into thier bodies? I hope that everyone is given that choice, but as we get to see on the news and in the newspapers, no every parent is thinking about what is best for their children, but what is best for them, these are the children we need to protect, which is why the government stepped in to parental rights so long ago, to help them from leaving them to die or panhandle and steal themselves.
Sorry, I have rambled on so much today. In conclusion, yes, we parents should have a right to decide our children’s medical lives, not to the danger of putting others in danger with carelessness (keep sick kids at home, whether or no they are immunized), Yes we need more information that is concrete and can’t be refuted when it comes to what is the cause of so many terrible things that befall our children, like autism, cancer, and seizures; No government isn’t always going to look out for us since there are always 2 sides to every story and until we get everyone on one side of it, our canidates of choice might sometimes get defeated by someone we don’t like who doesn’t like us or the choices we as parents feel like should be ours to make!

Dr. Wile,
I do have one point I would like to make about your reasoning. I am sure you know better than I do about how these studies are conducted. After seeing my Dr. in action and hearing similar stories I have to question if reactions are being properly reported. I realize the rotavirus vaccine was pulled because the system worked. But how many reactions are unreported or under reported (which could be the case even with the rotavirus vaccine)? How can we trust that less dramatic side affects are being properly evaluated when doctors make up their own minds that the reaction wasn’t linked to the vaccine so don’t bother to report it? I seriously wonder if my son’s febrile seizures are related to the event he had after the vaccine. Since my doctor dismissed it, how many others do the same and does that alter the conclusions? If that is the case then even independent studies are skewed.

Thank you Susan!!

My husband I have been blessed with five beautiful children. Our oldest (now 20) had a reaction to his pertussis vaccine as an infant. I had never considered not having my children vacinated, but the specialist our pediatrician sent us to said not to give him the subsequent shots in the series (I believe there are 3). This was a very hard decision because that same week three babies in the nearby Amish community died of whooping cough (pertussis). My younger children never received the pertussis vaccine and none of them have had whooping cough. But they have received the other vaccines and I will tell you why. It’s because I was born in the 50s and I remember what it was like before MMR.
I had measles when I was four. Our house was quarantined and I was kept in a darkened room for, I think, 10 days. My fever stayed off the end of the thermometer (they were mercury in those days)and I remember some very frightening hallucinations because it was so high. My father was in graduate school and was not allowed to return to our house. The doctor made house calls. The room was kept dark because of the very real possibility I would become blind.

When I was older I remember an outbreak of Rubella (We called it German measles then). My mother taught first grade and the other first grade teacher was very early in her first pregnancy. Six kids in that teacher’s class went home sick the first day. Of course she left immediately but it was too late - her baby was born deaf from the exposure to the disease. Every time I was pregnant and standing in a line at the grocery store or in a public place with little kids running around I thanked God that there was such a thing as the MMR vaccine to protect my unborn child.
Because of my first child’s reaction to pertussis I have been very interested in this issue. Vaccines save many thousands more lives than they harm! Unless a child as a known reaction to a particular vaccine it is far better to have the vaccine.

You said “Dear “Mom of 4, grandma of 1,”

Please note that the mercury in fish (methyl mercury) is chemically quite different from the mercury in vaccines…”

Not sure why you addressed me when I never stated a word regarding mercury.

I was recently accosted by a “friend” of mine, who is an RN, because I have chosen not to immunize my youngest daughter. What strikes me as odd is that she is so worried about my daughter getting a disease and causing an outbreak. Wouldn’t you think that those who are immunized would feel safe and not have to worry about getting anything - and therefore leave the rest of us alone?

I personally, religiously, and scientifically convinced that vaccines are pointless. Why would any parent want to inject there children with the disease. THe people who make these vaccines take strands of the disease or virus (flu-shot included)in small doses to see if the body will become IMMUNED to the disease of virus. Has anyone noticed has much the cold and flu season has become more complicated. That’s because viruses can mutate. I know that in colorado there were atleast ten different viral infections that the doctors have never (new strands) seen in 2007. One of many mutations from all the virus strands. The bottom line we as a people shouldn’t be force in Dissection by scientics. So this all said who really is the “parasite”. One more question, how much more will all the viral mutations do you think it will take before it starts having DNA and genetic impacts? This could be the very reason why there is Autism, ADD, and ADHD, cervical cancer (I think alot of the reason for cervical, breast cancer has to do with the growth hormone that meat producers put in meat). I hope this helps you before you go and have your child immuned from the very disease that you don’t want them to have.

Lori brings up an excellent point. Food.
What are you putting into your children everyday?

Dear Susan,
I certainly agree with you that we cannot know everything about the immune system. However, we have learned quite a bit. In fact, the whole basis of vaccination is the fact that our immune system has memory B-cells that allow it to defend against an infection once the body has sampled it. Thus, what we have learned does help us to make ourselves healthier in a world groaning from the Curse. In addition, we also know that the scientific method allows us to make conclusions with a strong degree of confidence.
You say that it is wrong to immunize infants before they are released from the hospital, but you give no evidence. In fact, there is nothing wrong with it, provided all contraindications are followed. Studies show that vaccination right after birth is best for some vaccines (Pediatrics 109:124-129, 2002), and that in general, vaccinated infants are significantly healthier than unvaccinated infants (J Infect. 41:172-175, 2000)
I agree that you should not trust my information on vaccines because I am a creationist, but I also strongly suggest that your distrust of vaccines because of financial interests of the drug companies and doctors is COMPLETELY unfounded. Once again, those who destroyed the rotavirus vaccines are the same who show no relationship between vaccines and autism. How can those same people be looking at financial interests in both cases? In fact, the authors who showed that the rotavirus vaccine was harmful received an enormous amount of grant money to continue studying vaccines once they showed they could find something wrong with a licensed vaccine. If anything, then, the authors of medical studies have a vested financial interest in FINDING problems.
I am not sure where you have been reading your information, but polio was most definitely eradicated by vaccination. For example, the polio vaccine was licensed in 1955. From 1944-1954, the annual number of cases of polio in the U.S. was anywhere from 10,000 to 60,000. After 1959, it was less than 2,000. This not the normal increase/decrease of a disease. Now, if this was the result of better sanitation and health practices, other viral diseases should have experienced the same decrease. However, measles averaged around 400,000 cases per year from 1944-1962. Starting in 1970, it stayed below 100,000. By the way, the measles vaccine was licensed in 1963. Both of these viral disease were rampant until the vaccines, and now they are nearly nonexistent. Their vaccines were licensed nearly 10 years apart, and their disease rates fell 10 years apart.
Once again, you need to look at the data. They are quite clear.

Dr. Jay,

Could you please show us your math that shows that peanuts are more dangerous than the rotavirus vaccine? If only 100 die every year out of the millions or even billions who eat peanut butter thats a pretty low percentage. Since many doctors will not connect the dots when it comes to vaccines and reactions we have no way of knowing how many children have really died from a adverse reaction to any vaccine. And I’m sure the number of people that got the rotavirus vaccine was smaller than the number of people who eat peanut butter. So lets see the numbers please.

Dear Kris,

I agree that a lot of doctors don’t report potential side effects, mostly because doctors are far too busy, but also because some are totally irresponsible. However, the medical literature doesn’t depend on every doctor reporting. Once any reasonable number of potential side effects is reported, controlled studies are done. These studies randomly sample the population. Thus, the point of reporting is just to determine WHAT to study – not to determine whether or not it is a real side effect. So…as long as even just a few doctors report potential side effects, studies will be done, and solid conclusions can eventually be reached.

I have a feeling that many parents will not allow you to get away with defending vaccines, since the results are part of their daily lives. All of the statistics and the quotes in the world won’t shut them up.
There IS Science falsely called.

I, for one, have been immunizing my children. However, I do not follow the “requirements” when I do so. A Dr once told me that moms intuition of their child is right almost all the time. Common sense goes a long way.
If using vaccines ask the Dr what exactly they protect against and exactly how the child would get it. Some shots we get some not.
I sometimes hold shots till later when they are older, sometimes spacing them out so that they do not have several different viruses to deal with at the same time. Thankfully, my Dr has no problem with this and is understanding. She works with me to decide when and what would be best for each child.

On the positive side for vaccines, one reason I do use them, a few years ago I came down with whooping cough. At the time I had two young children and a baby. I am very glad that they did not get this. Also, my first child had the rotovirus (not the shot) when he was nine months old. He was in the hospital for a few days because of dehydration - nothing could stay down. A few years later we had it hit again and I only slept a few hours a night for a week as all the kids took turns being sick. My last child was immunized for it and we haven’t had it since.

Dear “Another Mom of 6″

Out of everyone who eats peanuts, one in 200 is allergic. Out of everyone who got the rotavirus vaccine, only one in 11,000 had a serious side effect.

Thus, your chance of having problems from eating peanuts is about 55 times more likely than your chance of having a problem with the rotavirus vaccine (11,000/200).

Mr. Wile, have Scientists ever been wrong? Have the majority of Scientists ever been wrong? For hundreds of years? About anything BIG? About anything that had been tested and tested and tested?

As a young mother wanting to protect my children twenty years ago, I did what I thought everyone did and vaccinated my boys with the first two rounds of recommended shots, even though it made me sick to my stomach. By the age of two they both had asthma and fell ill often, and I discontinued the series. At the age of four my oldest spent a week in the hospital for such a severe asthma attack that he almost died.
Seven years later when my first daughter was born, I decided to listen to my instincts and met with our pediatrician. I was surprised to find that he had had a change of heart and he agreed that my boys’ asthma could very well of been triggered by the vaccinations. Because I homeschooled my children he told me it was probably wise not to vaccinate my kids. To date, my 9 and 13 year old girls are incredibly healthy and have received no vaccinations. They have caught the common cold a few times and had the chicken pox 5 years ago, but it was such a mild case you hardly knew they were sick.

As my boys grew older they regained their health and spent the rest of their childhoods free of illness, other than the common cold and a very mild case of the chicken pox, which took four exposures before they finally caught it. They even outgrew their asthma by their teen years.

I have had many people scoff at our experience, but as their mother, I know that I did what was best for them and our family. I would never presume to tell anyone else how to make such an important decision, nor would I let anyone else decide for us.

I thought one of the reasons polio decreased was because many diseases were lumped into one catagory and that catagory was later specified and broken up. All of this the same time the vaccine appeared to be working. Of course the cases would go down, even drastically.

I have a friend who screeches at her two boys about taking their medicine just so that they can eat a potatoe. And at church recently, a woman who only sees my kids maybe twice a week commented on Red dyes in food. My kids eat thier veggies, and during the season, my huibby and I grow our own in our backyard. My kids love to eat, infact my youngest eats Green peppers as I am trying to cut them for a salad or other part in a meal. Yes, I don’t like to read labels, but my kids and I eat mostly made from scratch foods. I even make my icing from scratch! So I put a challenge to parents whose children have had a reaction or haven’t, what have you been feeding your children?

Dear “Mom of 4, not drugged, boys,”

Certainly, lots of scientists have been wrong about lots of things, some of them very big. However, lots MORE people who do not look at the data are wrong about LOTS more things. The key is to make your decisions based on the data. While this does not guarantee that you will be right, it does give you the lowest chance of being wrong.

Mr. Wile, my precious children are not expendable.

Dear mom_of_three,

I am not sure where you got your information about polio, but it is not correct. All you have to do is look at the numbers of cases per year. You will see an amazing decrease right after the vaccine was licensed. It is the same with measles, but the decrease is shifted by 10 years, as the vaccine wasn’t licensed until 10 years later. These sources show them:

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Volume 42:53, pp.83-88 (1994); Volume 50:53 (2003)

Dear Mom of 4, not drugged, boys

I agree, which is why you must make parenting decisions based on reliable information!

Dear Mom of 4, not drugged boys, I didn’t address you, nor do I want to debate with you. My comments are solely my own and I haven’t even read your response, but I will. I had to go back and figure out who you are.

I will decide how reliable other mothers are.

Dr. Wile,
Thank you for your response. Another concern I have is the number of vaccines being given these days. When my oldest, who is 18, was little we had far fewer vaccines available. Do you know if any studies are being done on the safety of so many vaccines hitting the immune system at once? In the natural, your immune system wouldn’t be exposed to so many diseases at once. You most likely wouldn’t be exposed to so many diseases over a lifetime.

As a mom who witnessed her baby turn blue I understand the questioning and strong reactions to parents rejecting vaccines. I do not want to throw out the proverbial baby with the bath water but at the same time when it is your kid that is harmed by a vaccine, it makes a huge impact. I hate that my baby cannot be vaccinated. We live near an Amish community that has outbreaks of whooping cough and measles. I rarely take my baby to Walmart or other public places and we practice a lot of handwashing. So I feel like I live on both sides of the fence here. I hate what a vaccine may have done to my baby but I also do not want any of the diseases they prevent. I would feel better about vaccines as a whole if doctors took side affects more seriously and there wasn’t so much potential for the love of money to get in the way of sound studies. Some compassion and wisdom for those suffering possible affects are in great order here by the establishment.

Dr. Wile, I appreciate your opinions. I recognize that my experience has tramatized me in regards to vaccines. I do think parents should be able to make an informed choice regarding vaccines. We need to hear every side of the issue to do that.

My first son had a bad reaction to his first round of vaccinations and before he left the hospital after being born, he was given Hep B without my permission. My second son has never had his shots and will only get them if need be on his own terms later in life. My children have been healthy compared to others. They maintain a great weight and function normally. We also eat only organic and do watch what we eat and do read labels. I think just an overall “non contaminate” lifestyle is a better way to go. Do I worry about diseases my boys might contract? Of course I do. If they contract one of these diseases I will work through it and they will too.

Mr. Wile stands to gain financially, and no one will convince me otherwise.
What is he going to do? Bring me his portfolio? Have his attorneys and banks phone me up and tell me his financial history?
I do not consider him to be trustworthy. That is my call.

I base that decision largely on what I read in his textbooks. I have homeschooled for 15 years and have studied him and others who push for vaccinations.
He does sound like an angel.

But my sons are not guinea pigs and numbers don’t just instantly shut me up. I’m not the “Oh, how could I have doubted your superior knowledge” type.

Dr. Jay,

Your previous post said 1 in every 11,000 came down with a severe bowel problem. Your next post said a serious side effect. So are you comparing apples to oranges here? Was that the only adverse reaction? Any and all reactions should be lumped together with that data if you are going to compare it to how many people are allergic to peanut butter. I highly doubt that all the adverse side effects were reported which clearly would impact the numbers.

Mom of 4, grandma of 1,
I’m sorry. I misunderstood your title.

I disagree that the government has the resposability to make these kinds of decisions based on ” the greater good”. The point of the freedoms that our early american citizens fought for was that laws and ruling based on “the greater good” (as persons in the government deemed them to be) were ineffective and harmed many individuals and families, as well as prohibiting the free exercise of concience. From religious freedom to freedom of speech and the right to bear arms it boils down to individuals and families having the right and RESPONSIBILITY to make choices for themselves and their families and take the consequences. When we make laws about health we are intruding on people’s personal space and freedoms. No one should be forced by law to make decisions in direct opposition to their concience. More of us need to research things for ourselves and not be dependent on specialists and government officials to make choices for us.

DPT — diptheria bacterium, pertussis organisms, tetanus toxoid, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, formaldehyde, hydrochloric acid, aluminium and mercury.

HiB — Hib saccarides cultured on cow’s brains, crm protein, sodium chloride, aluminium hydroxide, mercury.

POLIO — 3 types of live polio virus, magnesium chloride, amino acid, polysorbate 80, purified water, neomycin, sulphate, streptomycin, penicillin and monkey kidney cell cultures.

MENINGITIS C — meningococcal group C oligosaccharide and corynebacterium, diphteriae crm protein (fails to disclose what vaccine is cultured on), aluminium phosphate, sodium chloride and water.

MMR — live measles virus, live mumps virus, live rubella virus, chick embryo, human foetal cells, neomycin, sorbitol, gelatine.

HEPATITIS B — Hepatitis B virus gene, aluminium hydroxide, mercury, formaldehyde. For the genetically engineered vaccine: aluminium hydrochloride, sodium chloride and mercury.

INFLUENZA — Influenza virus, haemaglutinin and neuraminidase antigens A and B strains, gelatine, mercury, formaldehyde, sodium chloride, mashed chick embryos, neomycin.

Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant

Amphotericin B: MME definintion - “a drug used to treat fungus
infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects
include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and
fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur.”

Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant