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Posted by: Michael Ramey on November 18th, 2008
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Today is November 18, and I am greatly disappointed to have to tell you our new website is still not up and running.  This makes the second postponement while we settle the technical issues so that everything will work properly.  We hope to have everything ironed out by the first of December, and I will keep you posted as the day draws near.

Every time I start to feel that this is a big delay, however, I remember a father named Joe from Paradise, California, who is still waiting to have his 9-month-old son returned.  Joe, who has done nothing wrong, went to court on November 10 to get his son back after a week of separation.  The judge told him to come back on the twentieth.  Now that is a big delay. 

According to three reports from KHSL, the local CBS affiliate for Northern California, Joe returned home from work on November 3, and when he didn’t see or hear his son, he asked his wife where he was.  She told him to watch the news and find out.  Joe turned on the news to discover that his son had been left on a local golf course for a stranger to find – and he immediately phoned the police to claim his son.

The mother apparently took the child to the Butte Creek Country Club in Chico, California, where she placed him in a park-like setting between the 12th and 13th holes.  Then, she waited out of sight until someone found the child, presumably so that she could know he would be safe before she left the scene.  Joe, who had no idea this was going on, was working only two miles away.  Had he known, Joe says, “I would have been there in a heartbeat.  I would move mountains for my son.”

His wife’s erratic behavior was the result of post-partum depression and suspected pesticide poisoning.  She spent the rest of the week at the Butte County Behavioral Health Clinic under observation.  No one accused her of any criminal action.  No one believes this was a rational, intentional decision on her part.  No one suggested that Joe could ever have seen this thing coming.

Yet, Butte County Children’s Services continues to hold the little boy.  A spokesperson says they’re “following procedure” by keeping this boy from his father, though no charges have been filed and no wrong-doing has even been alleged.  Joe went to court on Monday, November 10, hoping to take his son home with him.  Instead, he was given a new court date of November 20 and told to come back.  In the meantime, Children’s Services continues to hold the boy.

A man left for work one morning, trusting his wife to care for his child – his wife, who had shown no signs of being a danger to herself or anyone else.  When he returned home, his son was gone and he could not get him back.  If this kind of thing can go on in this country, who among us is safe?  What is to say my children will be awaiting me when I get home tonight?

And what a terrible delay this ten days must be for Joe, to say nothing of his frightened and confused little boy.  At nine months, he doesn’t have the faculty to understand what is going on, to cope with the trauma of being separated from his momma and daddy for so long.  One week was bad enough, but to more than double it before a judge will even hear from this poor father is unconscionable.  The very fact that a person can lose his own child without ever once being accused of a crime and made to stand trial is a violation of everything this nation stands for, everything our Bill of Rights was designed to protect.  If this does not constitute an unreasonable seizure without due process, there is no such thing!

This is precisely why we need the Parental Rights Amendment.  By putting into the very text of the Constitution that parental rights are fundamental rights, we will ensure due process and protect the precious parent-child relationships that should be enjoyed by people like Joe and his little boy, without intrusion by the bureaucrats at Child Services.  We can bring an end to the seemingly unending stream of stories that report that, “No charges have been filed, but the children are in the custody of Child Protective Services.”  We can return our system to the sane and simple approach that, since child abuse and child neglect are crimes, children should never be removed from their parents unless such a crime has been committed – in which case charges should be filed!

ParentalRights.org is by no means supportive of child abusers or negligent parents.  However, we firmly believe in due process and the Constitutional rights of parents.  If parents are innocent of wrong-doing, like Joe, the bureaucrats should give them back their kids and leave them alone.  If they are guilty of abuse or neglect, they should have their day in court.  These are the principles that have made America strong.  These are the principles the Parental Rights Amendment has been written to protect. 

  • It seems that DHS is “untouchable”. They can take children, seperate siblings, investigate bogus crimes for untold amounts of time. Then close cases, and expect violated parents and families to just continue with their lives as though nothing has happened. Parents can’t file suit against social workers THEY are protected. It just kills me to think that parents lose their kids everyday for unsubstantiated crimes, and yet kids that are being abused get lost in the cracks. This is ridiculous. We need to get this amendment on the Constitution while we have the chance, with this new administration, I hope it won’t be too much of a struggle.

    Amy
    Nov 18 at 1:12 pm
     
  • I, too, had the state steal my adopted daughter from me after she “acted out” on my other little ones. the state wrongfully accused us of not having taken her to counseling among other “charges” which we were told were not charges. We refused to sign the “child in need of care” papers because by so doing we would have agreed that we had done (or not done) any of those things. We wanted her back so that we could place her in a treatment center. They believed her lies as a troubled young girl and refused. Finally, we signed termination of parental rights so that she could go back to the extended birth family far away and not have to be in state custody indefinitely. The judge dismissed the case “against” us so that we did not have to sign those awful papers. It was a no win situation because of state involvement causing the 6 month delay in parenting which was irreparable.

    “Sam”
    Nov 18 at 1:15 pm
     
  • This sadly is child dis-services way of working. When there is a loving parent, they go after them. When there is a parent who hurts their children, they stand with them. I had a situation where my ex left the children with a child molester and left my children on a street another time. Child services still insisted that she was the parent the kids should be with. Then they turned around and blocked medical care for my son. I spent over a year and more than $10,000 fighting it. The problem is, most do not have the money to fight them and the know it. I have worked in the medical and social fields and after a number of years I do think that many just do not care about what is best for the kids

    ND
    Nov 18 at 1:23 pm
     
  • I understand how helpless and understandibly angry this father feels, I would too! But I have to also speak on behalf of the system, broken though it is. This child was found alone and abandoned. They are acting for the safety of that baby. There is no perfect answer. Abusive families have no label on the front door to tell them apart from the healthy ones. As a formerly abused child, the system didn’t work to protect me at all and I underwent much worse than simple neglect! Be careful with how far you take this, because there are many children who are abused in families that can appear very “normal”. These kids need protection too! Yes, we need to protect the rights of the parents! Absolutely!!! But we also need to fix the problems that make the system non-functional in the first place… otherwise we end up with a much larger problem.

    Angie
    Nov 18 at 1:28 pm
     
  • She abandoned her child, which is a crime. The father could be considered to be given custody, and find a babysitter or day care center while he is working. On the other hand, how could he not notice something was wrong with his wife? Could he even notice if his child had a medical or developmental problem? Does he possess enough intelligence to determine who is an adequate care taker for his infant? This is a helpless infant, not a semi-sufficient school- aged child.

    D
    Nov 18 at 1:33 pm
     
  • I can’t believe that comments have accused this father of anything. He simply went to work. The postpartum period is often a very volatile time for women– very high highs followed by very low lows. This woman was probably doing “great” and then crashed to a most desperate place. I don’t think we should support parents who abuse their child, but be careful who you judge. Parenting is a constant juggling of risks and benefits. There is not a parent on earth who manages perfectly. This poor man was working to support his family and you insinuate that he is stupid for not noticing his wife’s mental state. Seriously, men almost never completely understand their wife’s mental state! Get a clue!

    M
    Nov 18 at 1:43 pm
     
  • Dear Readers,
    If you are able, please click the three middle links (watch the news, wife’s erratic behavior, and Joe went to court) and watch the videos from KHSL for the full story.

    To D: Joe had assurances from a doctor, a counselor, and even his preacher that his wife would be fine and that her depression was nothing to worry about. Sorry for the omission from the story.

    Michael Ramey
    Nov 18 at 2:01 pm
     
  • With a 9-month-old baby, she is no longer in the “post-partum” period. Typical post-partum blues and hormone fluctuations last only a few weeks, at most. Maybe she had some untreated pre-existing mental health issues. Truely sad.

    RN
    Nov 18 at 2:03 pm
     
  • More people speak on behalf of the “system” than on behalf of parents. This is another glaring example of the government thinking they know better than the parents, and overstepping their bounds in the process. Without a Constitutional Amendment, parental rights will be further eroded by the government and child”disservices”. God bless those with the vision to forge ahead in the process of protecting parental rights. Someone’s got to:)

    S
    Nov 18 at 2:07 pm
     
  • The Post Partum period can last up to a year after birth, and can display itself in many ways. Unless you have been through it, don’t judge, and unless you know all about the situation, don’t judge. It’s easy to think you would do things differently, but, the fact is, most parents are just trying to survive everyday. When they are hit with mental or physical illness, it can make parenting and marriage that much harder. Another reason why we need to protect parental rights, thus protecting the family. Keep up the great work!

    Michele
    Nov 18 at 2:14 pm
     
  • About the above comment. How many fathers leave for work and expect that the mother is going to drop their child off somewhere and leave? If a mother is having a hard day, maybe even crying that day, are all fathers supposed to stay home just incase their wife just might choose that day to do such a thing, a thing that you don’t usually imagine people to do. Mothers have too many bad days a year for that to happen. The Government is the last person that should judge if someone is being a good parent or not. Maybe they should come into your home and judge you as a parent. Maybe you raise your voice too much or maybe your house is messier than they think it should be. Or maybe you waited one day longer before taking your child to a doctor than they thought you should. Most parents do the best they can for their children, but who should draw that line how things should be done if NO law has been broken. NOT the government
    You say “Could he even notice if his child had a medical or developmental problem? Does he possess enough intelligence to determine who is an adequate care taker for his infant?” He didn’t do the crime and he should not be judged on these things. He is the father and has done no crime, He should have the child, period!

    Sandy
    Nov 18 at 2:27 pm
     
  • But, by the grace of God, there go I.
    I had postpartum depression for about a year. I thought I was going crazy. It was a very frightening thing to experience.
    Regarding Child Protective Services - Regardless of the agency, they should follow the law. Plain and simple; if there was a crime, file the charge. Otherwise release the baby to his father. Isn’t that due process? Obviously his poor wife is getting the help she needs now. I would like to shake some sense into judges that don’t deal with these situations speedily! You can bet that they would “step lively” if it was their daughter and son-in-law in that situation. They must get very jaded in their position. How sad.
    Let’s pray for the protection of the heart and mind of the baby. Jesus can hold him until he is at home with his Mommy and Daddy…

    Amanda
    Nov 18 at 2:41 pm
     
  • Absolutely. I agree with the above post. The father should have the child. Social services will, undoubtedly, keep a file for this child open and I wouldn’t even be opposed to them checking up on the father and child to HELP him as he navigates these difficult days without the support of his wife. (it would take many a day before I could trust my spouse with my child if this happened to me) Child services are there to protect the child, but as long as the child is in no danger, and he appears not to be from the father, then they need to help the parent help the child. It is a shame that they see themselves more fit to love and parent this child through a difficult time than the parent who did no wrong. The father could use social services helping him, on his side, rather than against him at a time like this. It seems the child was safe away from his mother; make the father part of your team by helping him and the child will go much farther in life!

    Patricia Frantz
    Nov 18 at 2:46 pm
     
  • I grow increasingly concerned about my parental rights being honored by the government. Even such small things, such as the Louisiana law requiring parents to be fined/jailed for tardies/checkouts/absences, truly make a big difference to parents. There is a good way to deal with problem parents, and it’s so very important to not assume all parents are bad until proven otherwise, and to not impose restrictions on those rights. I no longer have the right to excuse my child from school for any sort of sickness (headache, stomach virus, whatever) unless I can produce a doctor excuse. I can’t let her take a day off b/c of stress or stay home with a stomach ache that’s not “doctor serious.” Rather than have the schools document when parents are being neglectful in a child’s education, the state has simply mandated that it’s illegal for all kids to be home, and all parents will be punished. This admentment must pass, or I fear that even in the most conservative places, parental rights will continue to be trampled and it will only get worse.

    Laura
    Nov 18 at 3:00 pm
     
  • Read “The Child Abuse Industry” by Mary Pride. It will keep you awake at night.

    G
    Nov 18 at 3:25 pm
     
  • Just another example of Government tyranny - Just remember, the only function of government is to protect the inalienable rights of the citizens.The citizen is at the mercy of the government - you can not ride in your car without restrictions, are too stupid to cross the street without a street light - and we have let them get away with it - The other day a “government agent” told my friend the two chairs she had on her front porch were not according to “code”. If you want to add a carport to your house, you must kiss the “king’s ring and get a permit”. There isn’t much you can do without a PERMIT. They will take YOUR child, your home through eminent domain and everything you have because if we do not confront tyranny, we will be consumed by it.

    b.j. Benbow
    Nov 18 at 3:52 pm
     
  • AT MAXIMUM, the “system” should have verified the wife’s status as being checked in to get help and away from home and away from the child. How long does this take? A 10 minute phone call to the facility? Then they should have spent another hour or two verifying that the father’s story was clean/true. AT MAXIMUM they should have held this child no longer than 3 hours. People this will continue until we make a stand. Join your local parental rights orginization and make a difference.

    Fort Wayne, IN
    Nov 18 at 4:15 pm
     
  • I do think it is significant that, in this case, it was the mother who did something harmful to the child, and the father who is being denied custody. I believe if the situation were reversed, and the father had harmed the child, that there would be no implicit suspicion of the mother and that the child would have been returned to the mother.

    This is significant to me because I see the government denying fathers the right to protect their families as they are mandated to do by scripture. A father of an unborn baby has little if any legal say in the question of the abortion of his child, and here the father of an older child is being denied his rights again. I believe fathers’ rights are particularly trodden upon in this country, and that goes directly against God’s design for the family.

    D. Gillette
    Nov 18 at 4:35 pm
     
  • This is very sad for the father and the baby. It shows that our Child Services in America assume that parents are “guilty until proven innocent” instead of the other way around as it should be.

    Meg
    Nov 18 at 4:47 pm
     
  • See my story at http://thefightagainstcps.tripod.com for my sad story. My heart goes out to Joe from California. It’s been 14 years since that fateful day, and the only one I have reconciled with is my son Charlie. I believe that at some point, he will bring my daughter Diane around to the real truth. I wish the Parental Rights Amendment had been around in 1994.

    Robert Littlejohn
    Nov 18 at 5:04 pm
     
  • I have been a foster kid and up for adoption. Here are some statistics. Only 15% of foster kids ever enter college where as 30% of home raised kids. Only 2% of those foster kids that enter college ever obtain even a two year degree, where as 50% of home raised college kids do. I have a degree. I am one of 2%. I would have had better chances if I had a family.

    Dody Bush
    Nov 19 at 12:19 am
     
  • I am so on Joe’s side. I have never dealt with CPH or DHR nor have I had ppd. But just a quick story to tell how a father’s rights are so different than the mother’s.

    When my son was born 9 years ago, it was and emergency C section. The little country hospital that I was at thought there might be a potential problem with my son, so they sent him to a larger hospital in the city, 70 miles away. He was born on a Saturday afternoon and whisked away from us in the early morning hours on Sunday morning.

    By Sunday evening, the larger hospital said that everything was fine with my son and that we could come pick him up anytime. But the problem was, I wasn’t going to be released until Tuesday. So I told my husband, (yes, my son’s father) that why don’t you go pick up (our son) and bring him back here to wait out my release? Good plan right? Wrong.

    The larger hospital said that they can’t release a newborn to anyone other than the mother. I told them, “hey, this is the child’s complete, biological father!!” It didn’t matter. It would have been a wasted trip.

    So I sat there from the wee hours of early Sunday morning, (when thy took my precious newborn son away from me) until the next Tuesday morning, without my son. You talk about heartwrenching.

    But I am just saying that it wasn’t fair in our situation that my husband, was not allowed to go pick up his own newborn son.

    S. H.
    Nov 19 at 7:02 am
     
  • I have been a foster parent for 5 years, and I have cried out to the Lord about working in this system with which I don’t agree, but that He has called us to , to make a difference. It has always bothered me that children are taken from their parents. I am all about children belong with their parents, unless life is in danger. We actually work very hard with birth parents to establish relationships that help them reunite faster, and may last long past the placement to be a support in their life. I have read Mary Pride’s book and agree with her Biblical philosophy. This system definitely has its flaws, and unfortunately the children suffer in the midst of the flaws. The sad part is we can permanently destroy a child’s ability to trust, and attach by putting them in the system.
    But the one thing I keep going back to is even though I do not trust anyone in this system, or the system itself, I TRUST in the Lord only,,, “For I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able, to keep that which I have committed unto Him, against that day!” 2Timothy 1:12b I will be praying for this family, the judge and the workers. That little boy belongs at home with his father.
    Isn’t there a legal outfit around to defend them at low cost? What about Liberty Council?
    Please above all, remember that most social workers are really trying to help people, they are just deceived as to how that is done. Most of them are not “bad” people.(Every profession has its mistakes, waitresses spill hot coffee or bring out cold food, quarterbacks throw interceptions, and some doctors kill patients with their mistakes. )
    So we definitely need to support this organization that is working on a legal level to stop these wrongful intrusions on families.
    And to those of you who have been hurt by the system wrongfully, I want to say on behalf of those who are working in the system for the reasons of helping families, not hurting them, I am so sorry . The loss of a family is the greatest loss a person can ever feel. And to Dody, according to statistics, you have done well. Congratulations to you for your accomplishments! Look forward only, not back, you have much ahead of you in life. I pray that all find healing in the source of all healing, Jesus Christ.

    Cindy
    Nov 19 at 11:09 am
     
  • RN,

    I am sorry but how would you know how long post partum lasts?? Have you ever had it for 9 months? then you wouldnt possible know how long it lasts thank you. And if you are going by some mislead you found then how can they possible know how long it can last? They poll people who have had it then do a rough estimate based on those people so if they didnt come across people who have had it longer then they wouldnt know the exact range of how long it can last.

    FYI I had it for 6 months after my third child and it was horrible and I have a very good friend who had it for a year! so before you go jusdging people make sure you have some knowledge first.

    It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!

    Annoyed by ignorant judgmental people!
    Nov 19 at 3:43 pm
     
  • Joe, May God keep you and bless your family and keep your baby safe while he is away from you.

    J
    Nov 19 at 6:06 pm
     
  • I am sorry for all this family is going through. I pray that God will restore their family.

    Twelve years ago I adopted two biological brothers from the Social Services Agency. They had been through the system and they had trauma. I worked with a therapist for 2 years and then she moved away. She said we were doing so well that we were ready to fly. She helped us a lot!

    However, we had the counsel before my oldest son entered kinder. His teacher noticed that he was different and acted afraid of her. During a parent conference she confronted me. I told her I had adopted him from SSA and he had been abused & neglected. Well, she chose to believe that I was the problem. One day I sent my son to school with a small bump on his forehead. He had simply bumped heads with his brother while playing. Well, when they saw the bump they cornered my child and pestered him till he told them I did it. When I picked him up from school he told me what the teacher and staff did and he said, “Mommy, I just told them you did it because that is what they wanted me to say. They would not leave me alone till I said it.” I told him it was okay. That afternoon I had two cops and a social worker at my door. They told me I had to let them in. What a horrible experience! They checked both the boys for abuse and found none. Even the bump on my sons head was down. Even so, they wanted to take my boys simply based on what the teacher said. I went to my bedroom to call my husband because I knew this wasn’t right. When I went to my room one of the cops stood at the door to my bedroom and would not let me back out with my boys. The other cop told me that if I got up from the bed he was going to handcuff me to it. Then they told my boys to put their shoes on and the boys asked, “Where are we going?” I just started crying at that moment and one of the cops told me to stop because “I” was frightening the boys and if I didn’t stop he would put me in the squad car. The social worker was absolutely worthless, no help at all. Thankfully my husband showed up just in time and straightened those police out. He made them call their boss who told them they had no right to take the boys away. After the cops left, the social worker changed his tune real quick.

    The teacher who terrorized my son felt ashamed of herself when my son showed up for school the next day. Plus, I received a call from a social worker who tried to get me to admit that my husband was abusive. Which he is not! On top of that, the neighbors saw the police at our house. I became aware that the newspaper prints up the runs the police make and what they are about. Well, one of our neighbors saw that it was related to child abuse and it spread like wild fire through the neighborhood. I don’t know why people want to believe bad things, but they do. Our life was shook up for a long time after all of that. We have lived in the neighborhood long enough that most of the people around at that time moved away and others who have stayed have realized that we are not bad people. It does not take much for a family’s whole life to spiral out of control. That is why I believe we need a Parental Rights Amendment.

    Concerned parent
    Nov 20 at 12:38 am
     
  • What a nightmare for this man…
    We had our own back in 1990. My husband had been laid off from his job & I was 8 mos preg w/ our 1st child. He finaly found a good job 3 hours N of where we lived (& where I worked). My company had loc’s there so I put in a transfer request & we moved up. However, the transfer was not approved & after my 6 wks of maternity leave I was given the order to return to work (at my old loc 6hr rnd trp commute) with-in 2weeks or lose my job.
    Our daughter was born w/ a partial blockage that caused her to have severe collic. She would cry around 18 hours a day (usually 3 6hr intervals). The only thing the Dr would tell us was “as she grows her condition will improve and she will grow out of it” & to call him if she ever cried 8hrs or more.
    My husband & I were rarely able to sleep at all. This went on for some time until a few months after my return to work.
    While waiting for me to get home (I got home around 10pm on the 3 days a week I worked) My husband could not get her to stop crying & spanked her & covered her mouth to block the noise. (inexcusable)…
    When I did get home, all seemed normal our daughter was asleep so I hurried to bed to get some for myself before she woke up again. I had the next day off & while giving her a bath what I thought was a smudge on her face would not wash off (bruise from him covering her mouth) and then when I turned her over a handprint on her bottom. I was mortified. I called my mother who suggested counselling but neither of our insurance plans covered it. So I contacted DES to see about getting some help/couseling through them. They said they would send someone out to our house after he got off work who could help us. I was so relieved…
    When the man arrived he had a clipboard and went all through our house looking everywhere and writing things down (I can remember thinking why is a counselor doing this?) He asked a ton of personal questions which had nothing to do w/ the incident & made my husband very upset. I asked the man, “I thought this was supposed to be about getting counseling for my family, what do your questions have to do with this?” His reply was “Ma’am I am with CPS & I don’t like the attitude you & your husband are giving me. Unless you both calm down & answer my questions I will leave with your daughter tonight & you may or may not ever see her again!” Well, I can tell you my husband & I gritted our teeth & smiled & answered every one of that man’s questions. He did leave our girl w/ us (THANK GOD). My husband did go to counseling & learned the coping skills he needed. Now almost 18 years later, we are still married, have 3 children, & our baby girl is attending the state university on a full scholarship. I cannot help but wonder where she would be now if she would have been swallowed up by the system…
    On that note, a dear friend adopted 3 brothers who at ages 2, 4 & 6 had been taken from their mother who was a drug addict to the point of forgetting to feed them & turning their trailer into a stolen parts home to supply her drug habbit. This was discovered when the teacher of the 6 year-old paid for his lunch one day and he ate 3 trays of food! They were put into a foster care home that would take all 3 while they waited for someone to adopt them. The home already had 5 foster care children in it. While living there, the middle child was repeatedly sexually molested by 1 of the older foster kids who had been in the system his whole life; by age 4, the youngest had figured out that sleeping on the shelf in the closet would keep the cockroaches off & the oldest became an angry young man quick to act out physically.
    My friend couldn’t have children of her own and wanted to have children that really needed a family. After completing over a year of work to be qualified to adopt, she told the social worker that she wanted the hardest kids to place & was definitely interested in more than 1 child. The social worker introduced her & her husband to the boys & they went through the process to adopt them. By the time they were finally adopted (by my friend) the boys were ages 8, 10 & 12 & had been in that home nearly 6 years.
    After getting them home, my friend finally realizes the extent of the damage done to these kids… After 2 years of intense counseling, speach & other therapies. Her marriage was so strained it failed. The older boy did get a grip on his anger & graduated HS (same age as my daughter), the middle boy left home as a minor & is following the “gay” lifestyle; & the youngest is very behind for his age; but doing well.
    It amazes me that CPS acts quickly to take a child away from his/her dangerous family; but doesn’t care what happens once they are absorbed into the system :o( What would the outcome had been if these boys had never been adopted?!

    Lee
    Nov 20 at 1:47 pm
     
  • I disagree that a Constitutional amendment is necessary, or even likely. We already have equal clauses in the Constitution, but lawyers, judges, cops, and legislators refuse to administer or adjudicate “Equally”. Even if you create another Constitutional amendment, we will still be facing the same issues, “Where are we going to find someone to administer and adjudicate the amendment fully and properly? I suggest an appropriate amendment should read that:

    “Any time a government officer, employee, or agent thereof, refuses, fails, or neglects to perform any of their duties, abuses any of their duties, or uses their office or position to the detriment of others, shall be immediatley suspended upon complaint until final outcome of a full and complete independent investigation, and if such investigation proves to any degree of probability that the accused is guilty, charges shall be immediatley filed and the accused shall be required to answer such charges, and upon conviction, the accused shall permanently and forever surrender any and all certifications, and forfeit and be barred from holding any government position, office, or employment, punished for violation of a First Class Felony, and shall pay full bond and or restituion to the accused out of the accused’s estate, assets, earnings, winnings, or other possesions.”

    Israel Lettellier
    Nov 23 at 12:51 am
     
  • There are isolated situations where the “department” in various states have overreacted. However, the idea OR notion that the “department” is waiting to take children for minor reasons and planning on keeping them forever is unfounded and based on isolated incidents and misinformation. In addition, the idea that a child should be taken ONLY if criminal charges are filed is also based on complete ignorance of the law because the department can remove an abused child if abuse is more likely than not to have occurred, while a criminal offense must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This makes sense because there are times when children are being abused, but there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt who has committed the act(s). I support strong parental rights because a strong family unit is vital to growth and development, but relaxed standards for removing abused children will only lead to situations such as continued sexual abuse where it is difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who caused the abuse.

    MBev
    Nov 25 at 2:37 pm
     
  • I sincerely hope this very important Constitutional Amendment for Families becomes a reality. As a representative of the National Foster Parent Coalition for Allegation Reform, and webmaster for our organization website nfpcar.org, more than every ALL Families need to be heard from and recognized. I firmly believe Families are our most important Resource in our Nation. As an Affiliation vision, I offer this statement: “We are joining forces with all persons affected by Parens Patriae to include parents, extended family, foster parents and father’s and mother’s rights groups. While this is a difficult endeavor due to various divisions, the focus will be on challenging the system with the unified goals and commonalities that each is suffering under in family courts and through CPS.” (Link: http://nfpcar.org/logo/#Our_Affiliation_Vision:_)

    GranPa Chuck
    Nov 29 at 12:52 am
     
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